Links:
Meeting Video Recording: https://youtu.be/vgbfwuuGElw
https://socalbund.blogspot.com/
https://www.antisemitismcurriculum.org/copy-of-about-2 (Real intersectional Antisemitism curriculum)
Notes:
- The Bund started the same year in 1898, coincidentally the same year as the start of Zionism
- Their plan was at the time to petition England to migrate to Palestine
- Ottoman empire was less violent than Europe – but only allowed Jews to do specific trades like money lending, mercantilism
- There were many violent pogroms murdering entire Jewish villages in Europe around this time
- Bundism and Zionism were formed to fight this repression
- Mainstream Jewish thought was that Jews would be invited to Palestine without taking over Palestine
- Bundism: Our land is wherever we are – these are our cities – these are our places.
- Doikayt: hereness – living here – vs Dorkayt: thereness aka Zionism
- Labour Unions in early 1900s were armed
- Zionism: There is violence here, send us somewhere else
- Zionism has contradictory nature of believing that Palestine belongs to Jews yet were not religious
- The British actually believed that if they supported Jews, then the Jews all over the world would support Britian – even though they were just 30-40 million Jews
- Zionists started terrorising Palestinians – including Jews in Palestine
- Jews ended up being considered “first class race”
- Britain did its usual divide and conquer thing
- Hitler started rounding up the Jews and putting them in concentration camps – and did it with support from European – this was in the early 1930s
- Britian: What are we going to do about the Jewish refugees? They didn’t like the, started sending them to Palestine
- Jews were running away from the problems of Europe
- The Bund did fight back – they were responsible for many of the uprising including the Warsaw uprising – and Germany destroyed the entire ghetto to stop the uprising
- Zionists in Palestine only wanted the “whitest” Jews
- Havara agreement, Zionist and Nazis agreement
- 40,000 Jews from Germany moved to Palestine – were moved to Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, etc.
- 200-300,000 Jews were sent back to ghettos, etc.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
- Why does it seem like Jews are silent? It’s scary – Evan has personally been getting death threats and weird unsolicited packages
- Stalin stopped Germany
- Stalin in many ways was sympathetic to Jews
- Soviet Union was built on equality – it gets a lot of hate from the West because they were the enemy – Stalin didn’t want people to be subjected to state violence – but committed state violence to ironically achieve that goal
- There were and always will be lots of Jews in Russia
- The Jews that were in Palestine were terrorists
- Stalin armed the Jews in Palestine – he wanted them to survive
- Arab nations armed the Palestinians
- UN in 1948 formed Israel and as it’s first project started “managing” Palestine
- US setup Israel and neighboring nations to be their proxies
- Bund members in many parts of the world executed
- Europe closed it’s borders to Jews – they ended up in Palestine
- After 1948, Jews in Arab countries dropped dramatically – moving them to Palestine
- Zionism suppressed Bundism amongst Jews
- Zionism was almost modelled after aryan style new “race”
- There were immigration quotas everywhere after the Holocaust
- Israel still suppresses dissent internally – especially Jews that disagree with Bundism
- JVP, IfNotNow, etc. except these orgs, almost all Jewish instituions send money via dues to Isarel
- Modern Bund is trying to build local Jewish communities “where we are” – solving local problems
- “We don’t work well in a kingdom”
- We are trying to bring the focus back to where we are
- One of the biggest problems is that the Empire has setup Zionists to represent Jews
- Elicia:
- https://www.derspekter.org/ – International Jewish Labour Bund – has chapters across the US
- Most active ones are NY, California, Montana, DC and others
- Melbourne has the oldest Bund
- Many European groups are also organized under the Bundist flag
- Bundist groups are strongly aligned with Indigenous groups along with Palestinian solidarity
- Also connected with local labour groups
- https://jewishbund.org/
- Samantha
- Member of JVP
- Trying to get relatives to think about Bundism
- How do I hold space for people in my life for people who are supportive of genocide
- Like I wouldn’t invite a Nazi to my hosue
- Evan:
- Civil wars are some of the worst wars – families are literally fighting each other
- There is a gradient of thought – left, right, middle – FOCUS ON THE MIDDLE
- The idea of excommunication comes up – there is no central Jewish authority to excommunicate people
- Judaism has a central value of life – “an act that does not preserve life is not Jewish”
- Elicia
- I don’t have capacity in my life with folks who don’t see Palestinians as humans
- But I am connected with people who are connected with Israelis – I am supporting such people
- If I don’t have the capacity, I can still at least talk to local Reform Synagogue – at least moving people in the direction that they are more open
- Salman
- What can we do that is helpful?
- What should we stop doing?
- Evan
- Don’t say anything that you wouldn’t say about your own community – e.g. “Jews are pedophiles”, “Muslims are pedophiles”
- Good resource: https://www.antisemitismcurriculum.org/copy-of-about-2
- Don’t spread myths like “Jews controls the world” or “AIPAC controls the world” – We don’t control anything – sometimes people end up “riding the wave” of Jew hatred
- Elicia
- It is really hard – I am angry with the Israeli government’s constant conflation of Judaism with Israel – I have a lot of compassion people – I recommend they look at real antisemitism training
- Israel’s constantly reinforcing these tropes – they are responsible for a lot of it – but we also have to recognize the role of Christian Zionism
- We can’t absolve the institutional Jewish community of these conflating
- Evan
- Every Jew form a young age is fed a steady diet of Holocaust images
- Gardy
- What do you think about different definitions of antisemitism
- What do you think about statement “Jews have inordinate amount of power in the US”
- Evan
- Jews don’t have over-represented power in reality – in the US it’s white people
- Zionism welcomes this as that continues to make them look like victims and send more people to Palestine
- Elicia
- US government and Christian Zionists are using Jews as pawns as a means to expand global colonialism
- They will most likely blame the Jews for everything – Trump administration is very likely do that – “this will likely get turned back against the Jews inside the united states”
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